Interviewed by Book Overflow podcast on Refactoring

I was interviewed on the Book Overflow podcast about the Refactoring book. We talked about the origins of the book, the relationship between refactoring, testing, and extreme programming, how refactoring is used in the wild, and the role of books and long-form prose today.

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from Martin Fowler https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjCJ76oZXTE